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Name borrowed from an article on Uncyclopedia With all that happened across several fronts, and even though a lot of this is covered in the multi page section on Fore Sam I felt that putting this whole thing down in a separate article was appropriate. So I can cover a number of people whose attitudes were far from acceptable. The whole thing started on two fronts. The AFF Petition Affair WE ought not be an army of Hating Autism followers. THere are better things this forum can do. How many Hating Autism threads are there here. Let it go mate. It will exist and we will exist. Focussing so strongly on it just gives it the publicity you do want to give it. Move on to other agendas. I rejected that on the grounds that Fore Sam was dangerous - and compared his view with that of Germany in relation to Adolf Hitler.
Please tell me you are not taking that comment serious. It is obviously just warped humor. He's just trying to get a rise out of you, very sucessfully I might add. The more attention you give him, the more he wins. The wisest thing would be to let it go and never speak of him again. This was in reference to Fore Sam's common argument that "Someday, you'll be rounded up, locked up and cured for your own good. We can't have crazy people like you running loose", and again I rejected it accusing her (rightly) of supporting bullying on the Internet. She also insulted me with an alternative to "Get over it" (Let it go) - three words that will always get my back up as the personal update Depression, Anxiety and Angst explains. I also accused her of not caring about those who are emotionally scarred by the antics of people like Fore Sam. She denied supporting bullying, but she also re-iterated her view that the blog was a joke and should not be taken seriously at all. She even admitted that the blog was ridiculous and offensive. Then she uttered the following;
He is despicable, but he isn't going to round up people and cure them. At the time - as I said - Fore Sam had not withdrawn his Presidential announcement. So I considered the threat real and far from a joke. It isn't anything to laugh about anyway, but in a position of influence (even not in the Whitehouse) such an attitude can not be respected - even as a joke. When she expressed her opposition to bullying, she specified a physical threat. I asked her about the psychological threat - which is just as real. I also queried her on my right to self defence (she criticised my participation in Fore Sam's blog).
What has happened now, as a result of your obsession with him, is that he has retaliated by writing a derogatory post obout AFF. So now you have more ammunition for your site now. Are you enjoying yourself with this? Jenna added that she hoped no one would respond to that article. Of course, people did - as is the case with that blog. I asked Wilky to define "enjoyment" while advising her that my short answer to that question was "No". And that answer remains the same even now. I advised that I had no choice but to defend myself and others on the Spectrum and alert as many people as possible to his behaviour. And I added;
As a group - I would hope that you would all be sick and tired of BS like this that holds back the understanding and acceptance of us as a part of the community. So what to do about it? Ignore it? We've been doing that for decades and where has it got us? Nowhere. So we stand and fight. What is wrong with that? Meanwhile, Rossco came back and made this statement;
I personally think that the danger, power, influence and depths of evil you attribute to this guy and the site is completely blown out of proportion and will not assist in your efforts. Another poster made a similar observation and I stated the following fact;
What if a young man (14 or 15) trying to research his condition comes across this blog? I can safely predict that if he was struggling with his life right now, he'll take it with a knife. I'm not being alarmist - I've seen people older than that with AS contemplate suicide - I've even talked one out of it before now myself. I added to Rossco that he was wrong and left it at that. But that only enflamed matters.
A less inflamatory way of saying this could have been: "I pretty much covered this in what I addressed to Lienda, Rossco. I'll just say, "sorry, but I think you're wrong" and leave it at that." The "I think" makes all the difference. I bit my tongue at this because I was furious with it. It was another insult - as though she wasn't taking the threat of suicide seriously. The "I think" was wrong. What I said was fact, not just an opinion on my part. I tried to be patient, and I said so in attempting to pass on the personal experience I had with Fore Sam, and try to get people to see the issue from my view point. I knew that wasn't going to be easy, but the insults and patronisation were wearing my patience thin (I didn't say that at the time of course). And then;
You have come in here and shared YOUR opinion. Don't start criticising us for not sharing YOUR opinion. If we CHOOSE your zealous, evangelistic enthusiasm for this cause of YOURS, well and good, if not we have every right not to share it. More patronisation. All I was doing was trying to get them to see the danger. Whether they agreed with me on the facts wasn't as important - the understanding was the important part. I wasn't seeing that understanding, and that was gnawing at me something chronic!
I am sure we respect you have a strong view. I am sure you believe righteously in this issue. I am sure it impacts on your psyche that this man does what he does. I expect that respect to be returned from you. That is all I ask. I found this insulting as well. I wasn't getting the respect he claimed existed at all, and he had the temerity to claim that I should respect them when they had insulted and patronised me? As I said in reply;
All I'm hearing right now from you and others who I keep explaining this to is words to the effect of "Get over it". It's not important in the grand scheme of things etc etc. Now you ask for respect. That's fine. But as I see it you haven't been giving it - contrary to your claim otherwise. I then added what amounted to an olive branch explaining why I was giving members who weren't taking the petition and the blog seriously a "hard time". I thought I explained it quite well. Joeker attempted to support me throughout this, but the cow manure hit the fan when Wilky uttered this;
I think it's manipulative of you to try and "get people angry and want to act against him", and I think you've got some nerve implying that if people do not agree with you then they are not seeing the truth, which is really your idea of "the truth". Lots of people here have signed your petition. Now why can't you credit those who haven't with the intelligence to make their own judgements and decisions. I snapped, and I called her stupid - and I meant it. I reminded her that I had put "hard time" in inverted commas and also had a go at her for accusing me of being manipulative. She was willingly ignoring the danger and that was clear as glass as I had presented the truth. She was on the user list here and it was that post that caused her banning from here. That got Rossco's back up as well as JennaP's as JennaP accused me of going too far, and Rossco told me I should apologise. A moderator came on and told me not to insult other members and I told him (respectfully) that I was the one who had been insulted, and if I was to apologise Wilky had to apologise first. To this day, Wilky has never issued that apology, and later I found out why. I fired back at Rossco and JennaP as well. Other members rightly either backed off or told everyone to can it. All three were banned from my PM box on AFF. The Droopy Battle
A witch called Lisa then appeared on Joeker's blog (after she had previous appeared on Fore Sam's) and '''ordered''' me to remove it. She also mocked me about golf per Fore Sam's fixation and it's name (OGF), and patronised me. It was at that point that I started calling her a "bitch" on Joeker's blog (I was already doing it on Fore Sam's) and I meant it. Joeker took offence to that when it was none of his business - excepting the fact that the whole thing was taking place on his blog - and decided to side with Lisa. Even when she intentionally used a word that didn't exist and then deliberately ignored my correction (I know this because of a post she tried to hide on Fore Sam's blog which was removed when presumably she realised I'd seen it). Not only that, he joined here and posted the following on the talk page of the article on Droopy;
This is just daft. I expected better from a full-grown man, Phil. Keep insults out of an in-the-air issue. Just because you believe that Baggs is in the right, and that I believe that Droopy is in the right, does not make them in the right until it is proven. And so far, you feel that Baggs is, and I feel Droopy is. Stalemate. Nothing left to do but what humas do best, then, is there? Mr.Fix-It removed it as he was the first sysop to see it, and when I saw it I went back to Joeker's blog and asked a straight question demanding a one word two choice answer - Is Amanda Baggs a liar? Yes or No? His answer was "maybe" - which bluntly was a "Yes" by default. I promptly banned him from the Wiki, and created the More AS Disappointment article as a personal update. I also stopped posting on his blog - for the time being anyway - calling him "The Weakest Link". Joeker's Meltdown
After all that, Joeker decided on an olive branch. It was a pretty good apology, withdrawing his remark here. But two things were missing. The first was the issue was Lisa, and the second was the issue with Droopy. As long as that remained unaddressed the apology was incomplete. I was forced to post on Joeker's blog when Fore Sam made the slanderous allegation that I was sexually pursuing Kurai-Gaka. That actually started on Fore Sam's blog as indicated there, but it spilled over into Joeker's blog when a post I meant for Fore Sam's blog was shifted there instead. Joeker later claimed that I had brought him over, but that wasn't my fault at all. If Fore Sam had not published the post that was sent to his blog on Joeker I would never have posted on that blog again. The Lumbus Factor (Joeker's
blog)
He is a spiteful little bully and has been bullying you. You do not need to feed his ego by submitting to him or acknowledging him or fighting against him. Know him for what he is. I am not a bully - unless I am bullied in which case I respond in kind. This is an insult.
What do we know about him? As the following indicates, very little. And this nonsense got him a fire and brimstone email from which I quote in italics after his quotes;
Unemployed : A lot of us at times have been unemployed. He though chooses to be unemployable. The world isn't Asperger's Syndrome friendly enough for him. The world will not acknowledge that he needs a "special" occupation to coincide with his interests and lack of social skills and anxiety levels. The real question is why the hell should it? Life doesn't fit around you, you have to try and fit around it. It is not up to society to find you happiness because you have a disability. Timelord is in this respect having a bludge off the system and copping out from being the most responsible social citizen. It is a "Poor me I am different from you so give me money, help me live and don't expect thanks." Now if I was Centrelink (Australia's welfare agency) I would investigate him. Who knows perhaps they will. This is a flagrant pack of lies, and an attack on the effect my version of AS (untreated because of the lack of DX) has had on my life. Life HAS to fit around me, because of what I have experienced and the lack of explanation as to why it was fair. You don't give a (beep!). That's fine. It's people like you that actually justify my views because you are in denial over the fact that I am unemployable until the system changes back to what it was - providing routine and autonomous employment without demanding qualifications that are beyond a socially "inept" person. Society owes me because of what it has put me through so far. You have no idea what Australia Post or the Defence Department put me through. And you have also forgotten about the operation I had in 1984 - remember? That plays a part in this as well. As long as the world doesn't acknowledge my needs (as well as the needs of people like yourself) we will never be respected as useful citizens, and we will never silence morons like Fore Sam and Generation Rescue. If you report me to Centrelink I'll make sure you are charged with wasting their time with a false report.
Autism Advocacy : I think you as well as others know he is not very good at this. His arrogance, lack of intelligence and biased and unreasonable views put him at odds from those he wishes to be taken seriously by. It is no secret who Timelord holds in high regard. He sucks up to anyone involved in Neurodiversity in a manner that is creepy and sickening. There are many members in the Autism Hub and many people who are actively involved in the movement. He isn't and will never be one of them. Why? Because people promoting, educating , and advocating for such rights, do not wish to be identified or associated to someone like Timelord. I, for one, think it is a wise move on their part. Guess what? You're wrong. I am being listened to - by the likes of Autism Victoria, Senator Scullion, Mal Brough and a number of other people IN POWER! I will be getting the enquiry into the needs of people like us off the ground. Maybe not this year because of the election, but very soon. So disassociating oneself from someone who has such contacts would NOT be a wise move. It would be an exceedingly stupid one. Additionally to that, the Victorian Autism State Plan gave me the chance to work to improve matters here. The respect I got from that was also very high.
Wrestling : Yes he makes no pretense to downplay his love for this sport. He also gives the impression he is and has been an important part of this small movement in Australia. I actually wondered whether the PWC was a figment of his imagination or whether he had been involved with this organisation. Apparently he had. On asking about him this was my reply from them "He refereed for us once, 6 years ago. He was crap. He refuses to Get over it! He is just a trouble maker that wont go away, and best ignored.". Just a troublemaker who won't go away? Does that sound like Timelord? So my advice about ignoring him is not just me speaking Joeker - even his beloved Wrestling community dislikes
Timelord. PCW (get it right) is a bad example, because they are paranoid and biased against me because of my successful effort to shut down their junior division (in which they were trying to train kids as young as 12 in pro wrestling!). And at the time I was NOT regarded as crap - I was regarded as the opposite! The only reason I never worked for them after that was because of a wild over reaction on their part to something I said on their forum. All negative material from the world of wrestling here in Melbourne comes from known enemies - and the minority as well by the way. I am happily working voluntarily for NAW as their publicity officer and I will soon be back on their shows as a heel manager. Pretty good for someone who supposedly disliked by the industry as a whole, hmm? PCW are trouble incidentally - and are hated more throughout the industry than I am by a long way. Especially since their infamous death match in September 2002 got the industry a huge amount of negative publicity that the business could have done without!
Football : So when you are unemployed with a lot of time on your hands you can pursue your favourite sport. Apparently this to Timelord is footy and he does. Has he tried yet again to ingratiate himself into this community and the "movers and shakers" here. Of course! How has he gone here? I honestly don't know. What I do know though is that he wasn't very well received when he thought he would beg for donations to fund his travel around Australia from footy fans to enjoy his hobby. Which goes back to the mindset I talked about earlier. We Aussies pay taxes to finance his "I don't want to ("can't") work" existence and then he has the hide to ask individuals for "extra" money to fun him being able to finanace his hobby. When they started to react negatively he got arrogant, self-righteous and abusive Ahem! 18 years as an umpire. Five grand finals. That earns RESPECT, moron! Something you know little about. My trip to ANU was successful and I was respected by them because they understand and accept what I am doing with my historical research. The same goes for the majority of other clubs I have visited since I retired from umpiring after 2003. The thread on Big Footy is again a bad example because it was hi-jacked by enemies from the political board. Bunsen Burner in particular. It would have been fine otherwise. Everything I said in there was aimed at him. He wrecked the thread. Roylion was a troll on both boards (Big Footy and SA Footy) attacking me under the guise of a debate on two subjects where I had him thrashed.
Politics : Timelord sees himself as having an interest in politics. Yet he seems unable to present his opinions in a way that does not offend nearly everyone around him. Why? Because you're biased against me and will not learn anything. That's why. I cut myself off in email from the rest of the message but here I will continue.
It is exceptionally lucky for us that the political party he has thought up in his head doesn't have (and in all honesty I think he even understands) will never have any type of impact on anything. The Action Party manifesto is a work in progress. And it has received some positive views. It has got some negative ones as well - mostly from extremist capitalists like Bunsen Burner, Hawkeye and the founder of the Reaction Party.
Courtroom Crusader : Yes he is a tough righeous crusader defending the world against the tyranny of evil men! - Yeah right! If someone doesn't agree with him and exposes what a dropkick he is this is the sort of response he gives them: Exclamation Formal warning So I have no right to defend myself? To back it up he quoted the PM I sent in response to what he did on AFF (mentioned below) as well as something he said on Fore Sam's blog. Your post on John Best's blog is to be removed immediately for defamation of character. Further - you are to ask the moderators to remove the post here on Aspies for Freedom where you replaced my words with other words - an act of libel. If that is not done in the next 24 to 48 hours proceedings will commence for a violation of the Wrongs Act 1958 (Victoria). This is your only warning. And then;
Yes me, my AspiesforFreedom Private Message box. Now being that he was so the irony that you were booted from AFF for a similar offence against him is not at all lost on me. It was no such thing. For one thing - Joeker did what he did in public, and he did it multiple times. Also, his behaviour was visibly out of control. My actions were in private, once only and well controlled.
It will be to him of course because his arrogance, righteousness and detachment from the real world. My view is that it is Rossco who is arrogant. My "detachment" is real in the sense that it recognises the real world - which is more than I can say for him.
It is a shame that he has had these "victories" against people or people back down from the little internet tough guy. I think the day will come where he will be physically confronted by someone he thought the internet anonymity protected him against and seriously that is one wrestling match I would pay money for. There wouldn't be one, because it won't happen. Why? Because if there was a threat of any sort I would be quick to bring the police in and have a restraining order slapped on the person concerned. I have one success with that already.
Lusting after 16 year old? : Honestly speaking I don't know. I don't know that I would really care. I definitely not leave my daughter in the same room with the man but that is beside the point. No, it's not. This is a pathetic remark, and shows zero tolerance for another's view on life. This was very close to supporting Fore Sam on his slanderous line.
What I will say is that is the accusation of ""I love her to bits for it,..." is what you said about Kurai on your Wiki."Followed by the defence of: I also love my mother and my sister and my female cousins the same way, (deleted)! What's wrong with that?" Is not defensible. He is a married 43 year old adult man who has no family tie or real connection to the girl. Oh yes I do, Rossco! She's an Aspie! We share the same condition! It's perfectly defensible, and I repeat there is nothing wrong with it. Kurai didn't complain!
The mentioning of the commentary or whatever as sexy is also inappropriate. This idiot never saw the video obviously - so he deliberately took my original remark out of context. THAT (if anything) is inappropriate!
Now we can all form our own opinions as to the motivations or connection and sexual deviations of Timelord. I don't want to even mentally entertain such thoughts. I just say that if Timelord can't or won't recognise that the comments are inappropriate then that speaks more about him than the reality of what is or isn't. I rather think it reflects more on Rossco's grip on reality than mine!
Contradictory is his middle name : One of the reasons people don't take this weird person seriously is what I was saying before is his attitude. He sees his actions as ultimately defensible and yet other similar actions directed against him as unreasonable or criminal. We have lots of examples of that here. Wrong. This is another example of Rossco's warped sense of reality.
Not that he has EVER tried to to this. I think if someone makes fun of him, it is because a) It is simple to do as the example lend themselves readily and b) because he has offended and insulted said person. In which case it is deserved. This is a perfect example of Rossco's lack of respect for my life experience. I never insult or deliberately set out to offend unless it is done to me first. Lumbus then made reference to another post that I responded to on Fore Sam's blog. In it an anonymous poster claimed that if I didn't like a blog I wanted it removed (I have only ever wanted Fore Sam's blog removed - no one else's), that if I didn't like a poster on a board I wanted them banned (this only applies after a warning or a clear breach of the forum rules), and that if someone "told the truth" about me I threaten them (which only applies if I have a good reason - that being their commentary is an actual threat to me).
Why does he have so many "enemies"? : He even "threatened" me with becoming "Aspie Enemy". This is hilarious. I am autistic and yet I am to become the enemy of all people with Asperger's. He can knock himself out. Who does it matter to? Does anyone take that site of his seriously? It looks to me like a load of ego-stroking and back patting and scarily represents a perception of a world which has little bearing on reality. There are plenty of people who take this site seriously. The Department of Human Services for a start. They think my section on Asperger's is great. Not to mention my friends here. I have enemies because of my pechant for telling the truth - and people don't like it. Enemies also exist because they do the wrong thing in general. I wonder if Lumbus even read any of the public articles?
Timelord seems to make few friends and upsets loads of people and collects enemies easily. The reason has little to do with his social skills not being up to par nor his disabilty, nor that the world is against him. It has plenty to do with it - bar that last part which is alarmist to say the least. And it's up to the other party to make the effort to meet me half way. I have plenty of friends who have made that effort.
Timelord is as the Wrestling guy said, "A troublemaker" he is rarely justified or justifiable in what he does or says because he is the person he shows himself to be. The whole you don't know me line we hear him spout bear little weight because most of us including the NeuroDiverity and Autism Hub activists and the Wrestling and Footy community don't really want to know him. That's because of the real troublemakers - idiots like Lumbus who think they know better. Every action I take is justified. It's not my fault if enemies like Lumbus refuse to take it on board and make a hasty judgment based purely on biased and provoked conduct on my part.
Joeker don't be taking this pompous buffoon seriously. For all that I have shown here, he is not worth it. You are on a path with your life and studies that will allow you to achieve far more in your life and happiness that what this guy could ever achieve. He is to be pitied. Don't feed or stroke his ego anymore just walk away from him and wash your hands of him. As long as Joeker denies his Aspieness - he will run into probably just as much trouble as I did with Australia Post. The Lumbus Factor (AFF)
The article stays, because it's a true reflection on what has happened to me in relation to Joeker. It's history - and you can't change history. He is over reacting and I won't apologise to someone who won't admit that HE just might be in the wrong in this whole thing. And I sure as heck stick up for what I believe in! Anyway - he's gone, and I think the matter should be dropped once and for all. Rossco quoted it but he changed it;
The article stays, because it's a just my opinion on what has happened to me in relation to Joeker. It's my warped version of events - and I don't want it to be seen as anything else. He is upset at being shafted by me and I never apologise to anyone (even when I am in the wrong) and I admit that HE just might not actually be in the wrong in this whole thing. And I sure as heck stick up for what I believe in! Even without relying on common decency, rationality or reason. Anyway - he's gone, and I think the matter should be dropped once and for all. Like everything else I have provoked and not apologised for. I was furious with this flagrant act of libel, and asked that it be removed. I didn't get my way because too many people thought it was a joke. Well I wasn't laughing - at all. This by itself would have been ample to charge Rossco with said civil action. And that wasn't the only one - when I made a statement regarding Anbuend (AKA Amanda Baggs on AFF), Rossco decided it was gibberish thus;
I wasn't wrong you know. If by some chance I said the wrong thing I didn't mean to say it. If I did mean to say it and it was wrong I had good reason and didn't mean to offend. If I did mean to offend and didn't have good reason to hope I wasn't noticed.....because I have just said some really stupid and offensive things again. So if I haven't already offended you and disgusted you can you please PM me so I can suck up to you. Especially if you are of any importance in the ND social stratosphere. Oh no there goes my credibility racing out the door with my pride! Why don't people here love, fear or respect me. Not fair! These are out of chronological order. In other acts of stupidity;
Now skipping around behind the mods with your tongue out singing "neh-neh-neh-neh" at Joeker's plight is neither sensible nor mature, nor does it show this political mindset you believe you have. The fact of the matter is you were probably lucky you were not included in the ban. If I were you I would not be as chuffed, righteous or feel vindicated. In fact I would keep my nose clean and avoid notice were I you, and not draw further negative attention to yourself. Perhaps mend a few bridges whilst at it. That is far better advice than you deserve. I have read through both blogs and can say I was once again appalled but in no way surprised by your behavior or your ability to find yourself faultless whilst everyone else is wrong. Not faultless - but rather acting in self defence and under provocation. Something that Rossco persistently paid no heed to. I told Rossco to back off, and;
I will tell you "So What?" So re-read what I have written and understand that you would be well-off following my advise for the reasons outlined.
I have no intention of taking advice that is ill conceived and pays no attention to the context of the dispute. And as if to prove the point about paying no heed;
Amazing! I agree with Timelord on an issue and he has spoken sense. I always talk sense when I'm not arguing or defending myself, in case he hadn't noticed! Sarcasm ended.
Should we expect that society neatly constructs itself around us? NO! YES! Well - as close to it as reasonably possible.
It is never fair being bullied by anyone and UNLESS you did something to deserve it, you ought to fight back against it. Of course it is always wise to pick and choose your fights, where possible. This wasn't aimed at me, but I picked it up because it is pertinent in the context of this article.
Oh great I just scrolled up the page. You are arguing against Timelord and wondering why you are not getting a sensible conclusion to the argument. The reason is "You are arguing against Timelord". Do bother it is pointless. I hope you don't mind me looking back at the previous posts and having a laugh. This was his contribution to a pointless argument where another member was insisting Einstein was in no way an Aspie - and I tore him to shreds for it. And rightly so. Albert Einstein was definitely Aspergers.
If this guy wants to believe the sky is green, the sea is purple and the Earth is square, it is OK. If he tells you they are facts not opinions - just agree. It is not worth the trauma of trying to convince reasonableness. This again proves that he was and is biased against me. Above he noted I could speak sense - and yet he spouts this rubbish. But on the same day he did a backflip;
He would be a great bloke to claim as one of our own. Maybe there are some more budding scientists who are diagnosed who can be the Einstein of
ourgeneration. No doubt there would be - if society would let them that is!
I apologise Timelord calling you out for being stupid and lying is not right. The rules and definitions of normal society and societal behaviour do not apply to you because you don't have a good mental grasp on the world. I have a far better mental grasp on the world than Rossco has, that's for sure. Maybe I have too much at times, but at least I take the time to learn - which is more than I can say for Rossco!
I encourage all people who wish to object, debate or argue with Timelord not to bother. Not worth it. Just roll your eyes shake your head and let it pass unquestioned. Laugh out loud are the craziness of the suggestion or premise but do not engage. A coward who won't learn anything new - that's the sort of person who would give such pathetic advice. I have obtained much knowledge, and I share it. If Rossco wants to practice ignorance himself that's fine, but to advise others to do the same is not on. Things seemed to calm down after I told him in email to leave me alone (per the stupidity on Joeker's blog), but oh no! When I explained to another user that I would not be apologising to Wilky until she apologised to me first, he was off again;
Timelord STOP insulting or disparaging my girlfriend! I have chosen to leave you be and warn others away from attacking you because of your mental illness, but I will not continually turn a blind eye to you rubbishing people I care about. Mental illness? This man is a complete fool, and downright dangerous!
I know this seems a real representation to you even if it is not fact. Biased to the finish - and I let him have it in reply;
Wilky did the wrong thing. That's not an insult - it's the bloody TRUTH!! So you apologise if you don't mean it in your heart? That's cowardice - because it means you have no principles. A person who sacrifices principles no matter what the reason has nothing. But did he get it? Nooooooooo........
You did the wrong thing and your interpretations on things in general is not real. You still have real ability to upset those around you when you strike out at your shadows. Still he insists he lives in the real world. Can I help it if the truth hurts? I deal with reality, and it's Rossco who is reacting to shadows - much like Joeker. And I said in reply;
Yes it IS real - and the sooner you show respect for that the better. My experience in life is different to yours and you flatly refuse to recognise the relevance of experience when it comes to being an
Aspie.
No the bit about the apology is not what I said nor what I meant. I think the way I conduct myself is fine. Towards me, no it's not - because he was lying about me and jumping to conclusions. Again - just like Joeker.
Your illness has put you in a position where no matter what you do, you can't get any closure, any respect, or ultimately any satisfaction. Incorrect again - no mental illness. The inability to get closure, respect or satisfaction has nothing to do with a non existant illness. It has to do with contempt and intolerance - from people like this. And as I said in reply;
I am not ill. Aspergers is not an illness. And I will not be insulted like that because I WILL get closure. I already have respect in other quarters - much to your chagrin. And the drivel went on - with my responses;
Anything an adult has learned in their life it is that there are fights worth fighting and those worth walking AND that In order to change life for the better you have to adapt and that invariably means sacrifice.
One thing I will not sacrifice is my principles - as I have explained. My strength is being me and being accepted as me. You won't do it, because you are biased towards my conduct in one limited area. I fight my battles in the way I see fit, and in the only way that makes sense to me. I have tried to adapt, but others like you limit those options by pushing me in directions that I know through experience that I can't go. That's what you refuse to accept.
By not embracing these qualities and ideologies you doom yourself to an existence where you constantly run into these problems. They will never resolve and the world will seem such an unfair place full of unfair people.
You've got no idea, Rossco. Absolutely no idea. They will resolve. That is what I am fighting for - and I am certain things will improve (and you know this as a fellow Australian) with a change in Federal Government. The most important thing is getting the enquiry off the ground (you know the one). That's not worth fighting for?
A lot of this is to do with your illness. I understand that and that is why I am explaining this and why Max has taken the time to explain.
I repeat, I am not ill. As long as you and Max don't understand that you have nothing useful to say to me.
We really don't have to and it is not for OUR benefit.
Then LEAVE ME ALONE! Wilky and JennaP then got involved again later in September, when Rossco published the PM I sent to him regarding the libel issue. I advised that the warning was reasonable and it was not bullying - contrary to the biased opinion of Rossco. Wilky went on a rant about what I'd tried to do to Joeker, claiming that he'd been banned from AFF for defending himself (when that wasn't the case at all - he was trying to get my attention). She also had a go at me for trying to get Fore Sam's son looked at and claimed he was a "loving parent". What rot! I fired back at all three of them;
Wilky, JennaP and Rossco - all three of you clearly oppose my right to defend myself, and also my attempt to protect Joeker from himself. To that I have simply three words And I won't repeat them. From that point on - I concentrated on reporting offensive posts until I took a break from AFF. JennaP posted from that point on until she was deregistered. The Final Phase
Fore Sam of course was the hardest because he was hidden behind a legal system that deliberately blinded itself from outside influence. That's why the petition was so important. However the Kurai situation (see the Fore Sam article) did make that easier. In order to jump start proceedings, I emailed my friends who had signed the petition already and I alerted them that I was putting their signatures onto the new one. I didn't expect any dramas and I didn't get any either. That's what friends are for. Then I PMed those on AFF who had signed up and had not created any static over the issue. I also emailed a few people to spread the word on their sites. The numbers didn't build to begin with, but Joeker gave up on everything at last when I failed to respond to his renewed attacks on his blog. He finally deleted his petition (which had become infested with vulgar signatures and porn ads), and I had recorded the votes that had real names on them. I added them to my petition, but I left the thread on AFF alone. He also removed all the remnants of our communications on his blog, which included a conversation with "Anita Perez" - who turned out to be none other than our own Twinkles as I discovered later (earning her the Member of the Month nomination for November 2007). On AFF my persistent reporting of insulting posts finally got Rossco, JennaP and Wilky gagged on the subject. Only Rossco posted after that effort, before I left AFF on a break to concentrate on matters here. My intention was to pursue Rossco but I didn't have his address. So it all boiled back to Fore Sam again. The Final Battle
Flardox, just wait until Phil, or Timelord, contacts you. That's when the "fun" will start. And after he said he was starting with a clean slate on his own blog - he goes ahead and says that. I put a post in response stating that and calling him a liar, but Fore Sam modded it out. He then joined in on a debate on Fore Sam's blog when I went in and corrected an anon on a couple of things, while at the same time congratulating him on stopping his Aspie brother's suicidal tendencies. Fore Sam struck back with his usual negative line which I responded to with my umpiring career. That caused Joeker to ask;
And if that career was so great, why aren't you still doing it? It was actually a fair question, which of course had an answer;
I retired from umpiring because my knees were giving me trouble from all the running I was doing and they needed long term rest from it, and because I had work to do with historical research that could only be done on match days - and the two clashed. I had to repost it because Fore Sam modded it out the first time - as usual. Then Joeker couldn't help himself, and got involved in the debate over zapping - especially when I brought up Deep Sleep Therapy. And his usual out of context assumptions, like;
Hey, and since you're not an Aspie, you might even make his list of Aspie Enemies. It's his list of people that don't like or agree with him, so he makes them into enemies of every
Aspie. No, it's far more difficult to get to be an Aspie enemy than that. The key is to attack and not respect an Aspie trait. It has nothing to do with me personally - except that I experience the discrimination and vilification. That's the key. Just because I don't like someone or I don't agree with them doesn't make a person or company an Aspie Enemy with a snap of the fingers. I've even had someone deliberately try to get on the list. He failed, because he was attacking me and not Aspergers itself.
What does an electrical shock have to do with sleeping? Aren't they at cross-purposes? I responded to this on the blog;
And if you want to know what I was talking about with the Deep Sleep Therapy - the link to the Wikipedia article on it will give you a better idea. Joeker also queried the contents of the DSM-IV;
You have to check up on your diagnostic sheets. It's not required to be smarter than the average bear. It's average to high, not high and Demi-god. It is. Basic fact, and I told him to check his information. And as for this remark taken out of context;
Even? Phil, I'm offended. You seem to think I have the authority to make diagnoses from rumour and hearsay. I'm no doctor or psychologist, and neither are you. He pulled that one out thinking that we could DX Aspergers when in fact my comment merely referred to the fact that we knew we were smart. Brilliant work, Joeker - biased as always against me and hardly wiping the slate clean! And finally - the big insult;
Fore was talking about Aspergers, you idiot. Are you blind as well as Aspergian? Aspergers, not
ASDs. I covered this in reply on the blog;
And don't start telling me Aspergers and ASD's are completely different. Aspergers is an ASD. Fact. It's a different part of the Spectrum and has it's own ID on the Spectrum, but it is still a Spectrum condition. And all Joeker could say about that was;
Phil, there must be something in the water in Australia, then. Maybe the WHO should check into the way ASDs are diagnosed over there. There is only one way to DX it, and we do it right. And when I read this;
Hey Phil? Thought you should know. They once thought that rabies was incurable, and meant certain death. Louis Pasteur came up with a vaccine against rabies, and it was no longer a fatal infection. This caused me to revert the More AS Disappointment article by removing the bolded part, along with this;
Hey, hey, hey, she's said it herself. Several professionals(I.E. not you) have dgnosed her with LFA. She's defying her diagnosis, she's acting just as you said, Phil. Another LFA that's too big for her britches, acting like she's not LFA. Just like you said, Phil. Clearly he has gone back on his admission that Amanda MIGHT be telling the truth. I wasn't going to stand for that - along with the fact that Amanda is HFA, with some physical issues that muddy the diagnostic waters. The rest of that same post sparked an annoyed reply from me, and here's how it went.
"Your brother just hasn't experienced them yet." "Your brother is suicidal not because of Aspergers, but because he has been taught by others to hate himself, and therefore not accept himself as the person he is." "He has been taught to hate exclusively - including himself."
Joeker, you are looking more and more NT every time you post. The quotes you gave from me were from my experience as an Aspie, and I was passing it on. Still think you didn't jump to conclusions? You did.
I sound more and more like an NT? Why, thank you Phil. I'm so glad you noticed. Now I can evade the stigma that Aspies are getting from the actions of diehard crusaders like you, and the organized apathy of the ND. I jumped to the correct conclusions, rather than explain to you their significance. I didn't know you wanted to be treated like an idiot. I won't make that mistake again than. You are telling Anon about his brother. About things that you say are fact in his brother. You said you weren't talking about his brother. You told him so much about his brother whom you don't know. You are a liar. Clear enough, or shall I get out the blocks with the alphabet on them?
I'll say it again - I was talking about Aspergers. If you don't want to believe me that's your problem.
If you're talking about AS, then why are you starting off by telling him things about his brother? It's plain as the nose on your face, and again, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. I didn't bother answering because clearly he wasn't going to listen.
And Amanda said LFA because it's what her current DX is. It doesn't mean she agrees with it. This was my blog reply to the quote that started "Hey, Hey, Hey".
Phil, stop trying to wiggle and squirm out of yor own words. By your own admissions, she's trying to act smarter than she is. She's just like you said, Phil; inherently unintelligent. I wonder if she agrees?
And just how do you draw THAT conclusion?? I never made any such admission you fool! She IS smarter than the FALSE LFA DX she has. Or didn't I make that clear enough for you to grasp?
You are not a doctor. Qualified professionals diagnosed her. You have neither the training, nor the degree to say otherwise. Are you calling medical professionals idiots? At least they could get a medical degree, rather than a striped shirt and a whistle. And there a still a lot of quacks out there who would do better with a striped shirt, or a white uniform and a whistle. In the case of Amanda's LFA DX - yes those medical "professionals" were idiots.
A mistake I'm about to make? I dunno Phil, I'm not scared of honest work. I'm not scared of being treated like any other employee. And the only thing I'm denying is the validity of an idiot like you speaking for me.
You'll be scared of honest work soon enough - when the bullying and teasing hits and unlike school there is ZERO protection from it.
Bullying and teasing only lasted until I got better. Until I worked on improving the symptoms, and until I overcame AS to take control of my own body. I took acting courses, spent time practicing. I learned self control, being able to conciously stop myself from stimming and rocking. Now, in real life, I can be a mild mannered, polite young man, not a twitchy guy who rocks back and forth. I haven't been bullied since Middle school, and I haven't had a problem since.
More likely it stopped because you decided to be sucked in by the peer group instead of being yourself. Disappointing. You THINK you've overcome it. Short term fix and it won't last. What will happen when someone takes that control away? Bye bye self control. And it will happen! Acting courses are also a short term fix that won't last. Life is way too variable for that to work long term.
Assumption after assumption. I decided to make friends, to stop being a loner. I talk books with S, play online with G, C, and A, hang out with our group, and chip in cash with everyone so we can get some Pizza and Coke. Don't assume that friends need you to kill yourself and become a drone. Do yours? It's been 3 years already, Phil. Short term my ass. 3 years in a lifetime IS short term. Real friends accept you for who you are. Joeker's present batch of friends are as fake as he is - in the sense that they'll dump him and mock him when he is of no further use.
Odd, isn't it, that you held a job until you were diagnosed with Aspergers. What happened to make you unemployable? I think I'll need to avoid telling my employer that I've got AS. After all, I can act just like anyone else. You'd be amazed at the quality of the Acting courses in the Canadian School system. I can be just like any other average Joe at will. Makes life a heck of a lot easier.
What happened to make me unemployable is that employers now had a clear excuse not to employ me. My needs as a DXed Aspie. That's the basis of the CMO judgment I quoted - need for a base routine and relative autonomy equal unemployable. If you are acting then you are not being true to yourself. That is something else I've experienced. I tried - and it nearly killed me.
Needs, needs, needs. If you could control yourself, you'd need nothing more than what anyone else gets. Am I going to make demands on my employers? No! I'm going to do the damn job, just like any other person.
I can't wait to see what happens when they take your base routine and relative autonomy away. The demands will come out soon enough - and you'll suddenly realise I was right! Result - you won't be able to do the job to their satisfaction and you'll be out on your ear!
A job is a job, knucklehead. If I can't do a job, then I'd expect nothing more than getting shitcanned on the spot. Also, you might want to try part-time work. Is the Gas Station hiring there? I wanted to make fun of this remark, but Fore Sam's itchy mod finger prevented it. There are no "Gas Stations" here. We call them petrol stations. I'd like to see how long HE could last in such a job!
Hey Phil? Thought you should know. They once thought that rabies was incurable, and meant certain death. Louis Pasteur came up with a vaccine against rabies, and it was no longer a fatal infection.
And since when was rabies genetic? Do me a favour!
Sure, rabies isn't genetic. But they thought they'd never be able to cure it. How about being able to fly? Sure, people dreamed, but the Wright Brothers made it reality. Autism isn't some miracle gift from the Lord, it isn't some instant genius formula. It's a neurobiological disorder.
SO BLOODY WHAT!! Totally irrelevant! That's my whole point. Even the anon got closer to the mark with SCID's than you did with that rubbish! It's a difference - so in a sense it IS a gift (although I don't buy the "Lord" stuff but anyway). It's not an instant genius formula either (A 131 IQ isn't genius level) but developed CORRECTLY so that our positives can be used for the betterment of humanity it's a boon! Joeker dodged this one, because deep down he knew I was right and wouldn't admit it.
Here, straight from the DSM IV; "Diagnostic Criteria For 299.80 Asperger's Disorder".....F. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia"
And F is where the IQ issue is. Interesting that you didn't reprint the whole thing. Gee I wonder why?
F, huh? I printed all that they gave me. You might want to take it up with the ND running the site. Another example of your Supremacist ideals, the Aspies Master race is the smartest race, and therefore, all must bow before us. You weren't given everything - likely because they wanted you to look foolish as a penalty for not siding 100 percent against Best. That's another smart arse jumped up conclusion. There is NO master race you fool, so stop promoting it! It's all about being oneself - and about EQUALITY! Taking into account all positives AND negatives and treating them appropriately. That includes yanking people acting outside their designated area into line. And there are examples of that across both the Autistic and NT spectrums, and across all races, cultures and religions. Examples being - blacks not behaving like whites (and vice versa), Asians not behaving like Westerners and Muslims not behaving like Christians. This also applies to LFA's not behaving like HFA's - and Aspies not behaving like NT's. No wonder the world is so messed up! Of course if one is incorrectly labelled (as Amanda Baggs has - she is HFA and not LFA) that's not the same thing. It's all about RESPECT! If anyone is promoting a master race around here, it's
(deleted)
- not me.
First, I didn't talk to the, I went to their page on the DSM IV. Second, it's a webpage, not a chatroom or forum. Third, they don't know who I am, since I didn't leave a name, or of course, alert them ahead of time, nor do they have the advanced capability to detect people through their keyboard to find out their opinions on anything. Fourth, you're just sore because you've just been owned. Fifth, and by owned, I mean owned! Sixth, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, because you're concocting conspiracy theories and you think that ND is loyal to you, as their supreme general, or whatever term you've devised for your Supremacist organization. I didn't bother responding to this complete and utter nonsense. I wasn't owned - he owned himself because I know more about it than he does. He hasn't done the research because he wanted to overcome Aspergers.
Ender, let me lay this out. You have Aspergers. I have Aspergers. Phil has Aspergers. It's our actions that define us. Phil revels in it, and feels superior. You accept it, and your name is synomous with help in the Aspergers community. I deny it, and take control of my reactions, of my Aspergers, and hold it in check.
Denial of your Aspergers is trouble for you and those around you. But as I said before - I'll let you make that mistake. If you pass - it will prove that you are not an
Aspie.
If I prove I'm not an Aspie, it's because I succeed in taking my body, mind, and conciousness back for myself. It would show that I beat Aspergers.
No, it will show you never had it to begin with. On November 15 I saw the remark - the remark that officially made Joeker an enemy. Not an Aspie Enemy - a personal enemy;
Too bad you're too weak to do so (beat Aspergers).
I'm stronger than you in the mind, (deleted), so do not talk down to me, little boy! I won't tolerate bully talk like that. I am who I am and I draw my strength from my belief in myself. It takes a weakling to suck up to the NT world like you have. It takes REAL strength of character to be yourself - something that obviously you don't have. If you don't like that - TOUGH!! And the arrogance of this just solidified my hate;
I can prove or disprove you whenever I want, whenever I please.
No you can't, because you lack the life experience. Have you ever visited anywhere outside of British Columbia? Have you ever visited another country such as the US? Most importantly, how much experience do you have of society in general? Of different cultures whether they be in your community or elsewhere? I'll take a bet on this. My experience far exceeds yours - and for one very practical and indisputable reason. You are 18. I am 42. Talk to me when you can match my experience - and until then, PUT A SOCK IN IT!! The little idiot also claimed that anyone on the Wiki who disagreed with me would get a fancy article about them. There have been a number of disagreements here as we all know. And in the past on my old forums (right, Coach, Andy and Bill?) and on other Internet media (right, Tex?) This was pathetic to say the least. I mean get a load of this twaddle!
A diagnosis of Aspergers isn't an optional thing, you should be well aware of, with all of your experience. If I had the choice, I wouldn't have had Aspergers. But I do. And just because you don't want it to be does not make it happen. I have Aspergers. I have known since my parents told me I had been diagnosed. I have worked hard on keeping people from knowing, keeping people from suspecting. I don't want to be treated like a disorder, I want to be treated like a person. Aspergers is not me, it's not who I am as a person. To be a disorder, and not a person, is to not be human. That is why I try. That is why I overcome. That is why I am my own person. This is why I'm a human. You are not stronger than me. You cannot even hold yourself back! You are without self-control, living as a parasite from the teat of your government even as you call them an enemy! You cannot draw water frm a dry well, Gluyas. It takes strength to swim, Phil, and you don't even step in the water. It's their world, Phil. They are the majority, the ones in charge, and they are fit to be as such. You can either accept your lot in life, or you can accept your AS and wallow in it. If you can't hack the real world, then allow me to throw your words back in your face. Tough. You are nothing, Phil And I had these words for him;
(deleted), you are a bully, a coward and a suck up to the NT world. You have no courage to accept yourself as who you are (an Aspie) and you think you can last through life living a lie by playing the NT game. You can't win - IF you are one of us. Inevitably, you will lose. You try to swim or tread water. Eventually you'll drown if you don't get out. If you survive - it will prove that you were never an Aspie. Once I have that proof - if I get it - you'll get your greatest wish. You'll get an Aspie Enemy article. You reject the need for routine and autonomy - which is a threat to all Aspies (not just me). This is not about the master race - or rather if it is, it's about the NT master race a la (deleted) and his "rounded up and cured" bull(beep!). Your rejection of difference says plenty about your true views of natural variation. You have assumed a great deal about me, and 99 percent of it has been wrong. I won't waste any more time trying to prove it, because you have already made your decision and you refuse to change it. Fine. I can be just as (beep!)ing stubborn as you. You claim to be able to change? Yeah right! And if you think I'm out of control now - you haven't seen anything yet!! I am amazed that your parents don't know about this, as you would still be living with them (I'll be surprised if you aren't) and I think they would be disgusted at your conduct if they knew the truth of what you were doing here. And to use YOUR own words; sincerely, (beep!) off! That was my last post in reply to Joeker and he couldn't help himself;
How am I the bully, when it's you to stalk me, to threaten me? How dare you call me a bully after the threats you've made to me? Joeker still didn't know the correct definition of "stalk". And the threats were provoked by the bullying (ie calling me weak and other derogatory terms).
How am I a coward for facing up to the world rather than hiding? How am I sucking up to the NT world by living my life and accepting the fact that the world isn't going to change upon my whims? He was hiding - his real self (Aspie). So he wasn't living his life at all - not a real one anyway. That invalidated the rest of this remark.
I don't think Phil, I've lived and learned Fool! At 18 life has barely started, which proves that he doesn't think at all - except with one almighty typical teenage ego that will be pulled down very quickly!
I can embrace cold hard truth, rather than cover my ears and shout "la la la la la la la I can't hear you!" I spent a lot of time overcoming the instincts instilled in me by AS, especially change. If I kept being scared of change, I'd have gone as mad as you. Joeker proves with this that he is already on the way to going mad, because he isn't being himself. I say this on the assumption that he is an Aspie. He thinks he's overcome Aspie instincts. They'll force their way back, because they are a part of him whether he likes it or not. And it's not a case of being afraid of change. It's being afraid of meltdowns - and change without an explanation or good reason is capable of causing that.
It's not about winning or losing, Phil, it's about playing the game. Or, to stop the metaphors, live my life. Aspies can't play the NT game. Joeker is kidding himself - which means he isn't living his life at all. He's living a life of a character created by his acting classes.
You'd drown, with the AS chained to you, and your weak efforts to control it. My weight isn't nearly as heavy as yours after I got strong enough to carry it, and I've got friends, and success to buoy me. And when the failures start to hit, he'll see his weakness as will everyone else. An inherent weakness that dictates one's ability to cope. That's the sheer weight that Joeker is ignoring and he will be flattened by it if he doesn't change his tune. I'm not chained voluntarily. It's others who try to chain me, and I fight that because I have the strength to do so. Joeker does not. He fell into line like a sheep.
I'd be proud to be known as NT, to be just another person, not a neurobiological disorder. He has been labelled whether he likes it or not. Whether or not the label is right we shall have to see of course. We all have labels. The problem is what those labels lead to.
But I have my lot in life, and I deal with it, unlike some pathetic wastes of flesh who call it an ability while taking a cheque for it. That's not our fault. That's the fault of employers who refuse to acknowledge our strengths and judge us on our weaknesses.
And if I can do what other Aspies can't because I've the will to? It makes me a theat to their easy living off the teats of their government. The first sentence is either proof that he is not an Aspie, or it's proof that he doesn't have the will to be himself. The second sentence represents a threat to the understanding of Aspergers in the eyes of government. For Joeker to claim (falsely) that he has overcome Aspergers represents a down turn in the importance of it to the health system as a whole. I rather think that's a bigger threat.
An Aspie enemy article? I should take that as a compliment, coming from the foaming-at-the-mouth, screaming, conspiracy-theory yelping joke it's coming from. I laughed at that when I read it. My comment there was intended to bait a response and I got it.
It's not my greatest wish. My greatest wish would be for you to remove More AS Disappointment, my comments I've said to Fore, any mention of my name, and for you to get a clue. Well, Joeker got the first wish - it was of course replaced by this article. But he won't get the others - particularly the last one because I have a clue. Joeker doesn't - that much is as clear as glass.
Phil, he says it to get a rise out of you, and you never fail to deliver. How many people here have laughed at you because you can't tell? Oh I can tell all right. I responded in order to emphasis the fact that he was making a fool of himself. I do the same on his section here.
And as long as those with AS use it as an excuse for disability pay while spewing baloney about it being an ability out of the other side of their mouth, the filthy hypocrites are in no position to argue against a cure while they cash in their disability cheques. Joeker talked of this because he thought it was an oxymoron. That proved how much he knows. I for one want to work. But as long as Aspergers is seen as a scourge by employers I have no hope - despite my abilities. They only want to know about the negatives so they have an excuse to say "No, I won't employ you" and claim unjustifiable hardship to make sure they get away with it.
I can't deal with you when you're like that. You're worse than a child when you act that way. What an assumption you have made. 99%, you say? You're right out of your mind. That's all he could say in response to my statement that his conclusions about me were 99 percent wrong. It didn't escape my notice that he didn't seek to provide evidence - probably knowing that if he tried I'd have him for slander in a heartbeat.
I don't interfere with what they choose to do, they do the same. Maybe they (his parents) should. If they knew their son was a bully.....
Really Phil, they'd be more interested in getting me to stop blogging and pull up roots so you can't talk to me anymore. They always tell me, I'm probably talking to people on the internet who turn out to be middle-aged pedophiles in other countries. I certainly agree that Joeker shouldn't talk about me anymore. It only causes him more trouble. Blogging isn't so bad - it just depends on how one handles it. I've altered the way I handle my Internet presence over the years for that reason.
And the way you follow young Aspies... Kurai and I, to name a few. Follow? Another incorrect conclusion jumped to - he was full of them!
I think they'd be shocked tha there're people on the spectrum who discriminate against the LFAs. As it stands, my parents understand that I am a person, not a disorder. My parents understand that I am a person as well. A real person with a condition. Any parent who doesn't recognise the condition is not recognising their child as they are - and that's a bad thing. And Joeker's parents would be shocked that there are people on the Spectrum who bully others, and further shocked that their own son is one of them.
My conduct is my business, and my parents would be disgusted at what I am disgusted by. They didn't just stick me in a daycare and ignore me. They're my parents, and they instilled in me morality. Which is more, apparently, than your parents did. I doubt Joeker's parents even knew what he was doing. Morality? HAH! I have more morality in my thumb than Joeker has in his whole body. The fact that he is a self confessed centrist bears that out. Centrists sacrifice morality in order to stay neutral. They have to.
Go cry somewhere else, because I'm sick of you. I didn't ask you to come after me again; You just want to hate me. He brought that on himself by lying about the clean slate. Simple.
You hate what I stand for, what I stand against. Yes, because what he stands for is a falsehood - and he stands against reality.
You hate that I'm showing that Aspies can change, that they can adapt, that they can carve out their own place in life with their own will. I don't hate that. What I hate is the claim that everything's hunky dory and resolved - when it hasn't. I'm not adverse to change - just as long as it has an acceptable explanation.
You hate that I find ND to be a place of stagnation, fit only for those who fear change, and cling to the past. That was a misrepresentation of Neurodiversity. It's not a movement - it's a word that is based on a statement of medical fact. The brain is not the same in every human being. We are different. It is something to be proud of, not to be scared of.
You hate me because I'm discarding the experience of my elder, the reputable Aspie of ND, Phil Gluyas, in favour of being my own person, walking my own path, free to make my own mistakes and make my own choices. And Joeker was making the wrong choices - and publicly on behalf of all Aspies his age as well, as though it's a rule. It's not, and the insistence that it is is what I hate. Joeker isn't being his own person - he's being what the NT world wants him to be. And it's the NT world giving him the path and the choices. Both of which are bad for a true Aspie.
You must be close to a complete breakdown, hm? The nerve, the audacity, of this wiseacre young rip! Joeker is much closer to a breakdown that I am. What's worse is that he can't see it coming. That would be scary if I cared.
I wonder what you're going to do... Are you going to try emailing me more? Maybe return to my blog with strings of expletives? Look for my phone number? Or perhaps you'll send another group after me. First it was the ISP, then the Mental Health Authorities? Maybe you'll send the police after me? After all, you're such a big man. Such a big man that you have to hide in Australia and have other do your dirty work. Email - no. No posts on his blog either. Phone number - I was rather hoping my reference to his parents would reveal if he was still living with them (which he didn't address). If he wasn't - then I would have had him. Another group - maybe, but I don't know who. The most likely was the police, but at that point there was nothing I could bring to the attention of the Mounties. As far as "hiding" in Australia goes - I would be quite happy if Joeker was to provide me with the $200 for a passport, and then the return air fare from Melbourne to Vancouver. But that's not going to happen purely because I don't have the money. Practical fact. So I have to get others to do the work for me - and even that hasn't been easy.
You are a pathetic coward, hiding in your wiki, blustering here, playing the hero for Aspies while reviling the LFAs, and messing with people's lives over blogs. I don't revile all LFA's. I only revile those who don't accept their DX for no good reason (ie Droopy). If LFA's know their place and seek help for their inadequacies in order to function, I don't have a problem with them. I don't mess with people's lives unless they mess with mine. And I'm not a hero - not yet anyway if my work with the governments here comes through.
Yeah Phil, you're a real hero. Treating your wife like property, treating Aspies like scum for not being your bitches, screwing with the lives of real people, stalking them, trying to have ISPs drop their customers, trying to have Mental Health Authorities haul people away on false pretenses, and promoting superiority over the normal people. My wife and I are equal in our household (there's another conclusion jumped to and a highly offensive one at that!) and the only Aspies I treat like scum are the ones who deserve it (thankfully they are in the minority), and the ones who disagree with me are not in that category. No stalking. Contacting Telus was merely to pull Joeker into line - if they dumped him that would have been their choice. As long as he stopped what he was doing I would have been happy. And the circumstance of my contact with the BC government wasn't on false pretences at all. And no human being is superior to another in general. Some aspects - yes. But that doesn't matter - unless those aspects are ignored. Which they are in the case of Aspies.
I'd spit on you if you were here in front of me. Of course, if you were here in front of me, you'd be trying to kill me. Maybe you should try the Biker Gangs next? I'm sure they'd be glad to "take care" of an 18 year old. I don't kill people. Killing is for cowards. So is spitting by the way. The most I would have done is pin him to the wall, and even then I wouldn't like it. I'm not a physical person. I prefer to verbalise. After I recorded that reply the posts disappeared temporarily from Fore Sam's blog (that was mentioned in the Fore Sam section). Meanwhile on his own blog he noticed that I'd removed the edit on the More AS Disappointment article, and addressed it thus;
Apparently, Phil doesn't know the meaning of a clean slate. He's removed the edit, and it's back to square one. As stated at the beginning of this section, it's Joeker who showed he wouldn't wipe the slate clean.
But at this point, I'm beyond caring. If he wants to go back on his word, it's his name to blacken. I apologized, and was sincere. But I'm not about to forgive all his trangressions because I can forgive a few. If he thought I'd forgive him for everything, then he was sadly mistaken. I am sorry that he thought I was infringing his opinions by refusing to give a clear opinion. I am very sorry that my conduct on Phil's World was rude. I am sorry that I interefered between Lisa and Phil. I didn't go back on my word - until Joeker went back on his first. The apology was invalidated by the remarks consequent to the apology (see above on Fore Sam's blog).
But I am not sorry for everything else. If he thinks that my apology meant that I was going to leave the internet, or that I would no longer have any stances on important issues, or would stand for his abuses, then he was sadly mistaken. Leave the Internet, no. I expected him to just drop the subject of me, and also stay off Fore Sam's blog. He had other places he could go and I would have been none the wiser. But no, he decided to stick around and stick his nose in where it wasn't welcome - and rehash all the old material and attack me. As I said - clean slate my foot! And one anon called Island Boy picked that up so I wasn't the only one to see it!
And so, I'm done with Phil, and if he's not done with me, he can write whatever the hell he pleases to sate his sharp tounge and corpulent ego upon me. I don't truck with Supremacists, and their words only serve to show their abject hatreds. Well, he has proved that he is a Supremacist - because he has sucked up to the so-called master race. The NT World. It will chew him up and spit him out when it's done with him. And if he thought I was going to believe him when he said "I'm done with Phil" he had another think coming! I fully expected legal threats - and eventually they did come (see Phase Three). I wasn't going to listen to Joeker's teenage rants any longer. They lacked maturity, they lacked life experience and they were the views of a blinkered and biased little boy who still had a lot to learn about life. And no amount of acting training would prepare him for that. Life is not a movie. It's life. It's not forty two, or even fifty six (TY Douglas Adams!). It's real, it's variable and fakes get swallowed up very quickly. And Joeker is a fake. Oh and one more thing to finish. If he hides his AS diagnosis, and it's found out by his employer - he can sack him for selling him a false bill of goods as an employee!
Phase Two
I had a get together with a few IRL friends and I explained the situation fully and showed them a lot of material. The idea was for all of them to get onto Joeker's blog and let him have it. No real names. Because of the self control idea, I listed a large number of suggestions for screen names with one thing in common - all of them were from Doctor Who. I left the choices to them, and they all agreed that what Joeker had done was wrong and he needed to be taught a lesson. And it worked - although one of them went too far, calling on Joeker to take his own life. When I found out about that I was furious, and I told him why it was wrong. Everyone else was equally unimpressed. But I will say this. The whole thing got Joeker's attention and he activated comment moderation. He did fail the self control test, which actually supported his Aspergers diagnosis. He also revealed that he was still living with his parents (which meant the Vancouver address I got out of the Canadian White Pages was likely wrong). It meant that this phase ended fairly quickly - more because of what "Borusa" did than anything else. None of the present or past members of Phil's World was involved in this phase. I will quote what "Mavic Chen" said though as this covers it neatly;
What has been done to you, except for Borusa's comments, has been legal, Joeker. You lied about Phil, guessed his intentions and the context of his comments and refused to listen or believe his truthful corrections and statements. This resulted in you harassing and in effect torturing him. You should have left him alone. You brought most of this on yourself and the sooner you admit that the better. And you should promise in public that you will never ever mention Phil's name to anyone ever again. Joeker also noticed the note by Twinkles about her being Anita Perez. I found it interesting that he didn't change his mind - but this was a lie;
You helped me end it and wipe the slate clean, to move on with my life. He hadn't wiped the slate clean. Not at all. In fact this quote is highly accurate;
You never cleaned the slate you liar. You just put liquid paper on bits. You have to love Liquid Paper! But it was clear that it was going to take something else to get Joeker to understand that what he was doing was wrong and he had to shut up about me. And just for the record I had to do the same thing with Fore Sam.
Phase Three
He didn't. He over reacted yet again, finding the unlinked article and automatically assuming it was coming back no matter what he said. How can one do anything with such paranoia? Not only that, he publicly demanded my mailing address and again called me a liar and a criminal. I'd had it. I worked on this article to complete it - and at the same time I made my own legal enquiries. It was clear that he HAD to be restrained. It was just a question of how to go about it. I knew he was bluffing about the criminal accusation, because if the police had felt a crime had been committed they would have been able to find me without him asking for it. So it was back to civil again. I looked into options. That required a large amount of printing so I couldn't do that as quickly as I would have liked. It meant I had to go back into Aspies for Freedom and in the process I found more material against me. I didn't respond, but I did send a few PM's - including to Flardox. While this was happening, I saw that Wilky had finally shown her true colours;
Autism, at it's most severe is a living nightmare for the individual child or adult, and advocating against a 'cure' is sheer ignorance and cruelty. She then had a go at the AFF owners;
I sincerely hope that one day you will feel some shame for politicizing what is essentialy a serious debilitating condition, and indoctrinating your own belief system via propaganda and scaremongering vulnerable and troubled young adults and children on the autistic spectrum, who come to AFF for support and friendship from others like themselves. The proof of the proverbial pud. Wilky was pro cure. I knew there was something amiss with her attitude, and I felt vindicated that I told her to get out of the forum back in July. And now I wasn't the only one as several members gave her the same advice. The most galling part of it all is that she (like Fore Sam) is a closet Aspie. I nearly posted myself, but I resisted. She didn't post after December 5, 2007, and she was subsequently deregistered. If only I'd known then what I know now - that Wilky was in fact Jonsmum. It was a waiting game - and I figured that would annoy Joeker, so I extended matters where I could. And what made matters even more interesting was that Joeker indicated that he was waiting for my next move. I was just sitting back and collecting any comments he made relating to me. It was annoying that AFF had let him back in. It was when Joeker posted this that I couldn't wait any longer.
Juist give me your address Phil, and we can get this lawsuit started. He was bluffing again and I knew it. Rossco picked it up as well calling it "posturing". I have never postured and now was not the time to start. The only thing stopping me from calling his bluff was a lack of mailing address. I contacted the Magistrate's Court in order to tee things up - with the idea being that I apply for a gag order against him. I was forced to wait for their response until mid December which was frustrating to say the least - but finally they got back to and told me that I had to take the matter to the Supreme Court because Joeker wasn't a resident of Australia. I could have done without that. I'd done a rush job on evidence which I could have got away with in the Magistrate's Court, but not in the Supreme Court. And besides - they didn't accept Statutory Declarations or Particulars of Complaint. So I had to redo the whole thing from scratch. And it had to be done correctly as well - you can't muck about with the Supreme Court. So a change of tactics was required to give me the time I needed. I uploaded this article, and slapped a ban on mentioning Joeker's name on here. It was already there, but now it was a formal ban. It became a suspendable offence in March 2008. This article became a replacement closure for "More AS Disappointment" (well it was going to be that anyway but not as soon as it was), and as far as I was concerned - that was it. I figured Joeker would flip over this just like he did over the first article. And all reactions would be ignored - as they had been before (and would have continued had Fore Sam not stuck the post that should have been on his blog on Joeker's). It was a case of collecting what he said and more importantly how long it went on for. The longer the better. All I had to do was prove the obsessional nature of his behaviour - and constant commentary without response would be more than ample. And on the other hand, if he read this and tried to make my plan backfire and say nothing - I'll have achieved what he said I'd never achieve. His silence about me. So either way, I would win. By this time, the war had been shifted deliberately to a new blog - ASD Hating. This aspect of the war was over, especially when the Supreme Court proved to be totally unhelpful - and then a house move got in the way on top of that. The Aftermath
Just to make sure, I took up an offer that was made by a local worker from legal services, Sean Fraser, to help me out with these people. It was my idea, but I needed another person to carry it off because there was no way I could do it. A forum was set up and Sean - under the bogus name of "Barry Kilmany" sucked Lumbus in with the promise of a place to laugh about me. Soon others joined, including Joeker, and Sean egged them on into making some slanderous remarks. I was already seeing this under the ID of Mookchow (Paris Tenana's usual ID), and then I launched my first attack - joining as Richard Cook and sending a PM to "Barry". That was to indicate that I knew about the forum. I then told my friends about the forum (at this point they did not know about the trap) and they tried to join. But Sean kept them out. When Wally joined as Gromett however, I told Sean to leave it so I could pounce. And I did after listing all the derogatory remarks and creating a defamation case. As a part of the trick - as soon I revealed myself I was kicked out. Sean lied when he said as Barry that he'd banned my provider. In an unexpected twist meanwhile, a friend from New Zealand who'd lived across the road from me in Ballan before returning home not long after we moved in early 2008 joined the forum. She knew about the whole problem, and her husband was a mediator. He wanted to help. That sidetracked things a bit, but I figured why not? The trouble was that Natalie was lousy at setting up forums and her husbands email address wasn't working. So I had to set it up and give them the keys. But I forgot to hide the email address (which was a philsworld.com.au one) and Joeker saw it. I quickly told Natalie and the mediation was abandoned as I saw Lumbus was saying that it was a trap. It wasn't - it was legit, but my mistake made it impossible to have the thing proceed such was the paranoia. So it was back to the original plan, and it worked a treat. Sean assured me that this was all legal and he played the defendant of the bogus court case brilliantly, even using his own name as the legal contact for "Barry". Evidence was collected and I treated it as legit and responded accordingly. Sean felt my response was very good. Finally, as I was ready to upload the new website and close down the Wiki in October - the trap was sprung. Sean promoted my secret account to admin and I changed my name to Timelord and made all the changes needed to cut everyone else off and leave a message for all of them - and on the public domain. The best part was that Lumbus had confessed that he wanted me to have a nervous breakdown. That was an admission that I was able to hold over his head when I emailed him at the same time the trap was sprung - and I got his silence. The IP's allowed me to ban a lot of people from Phil's World, including Joeker. I also banned proxies and finally I was able to move on. The aftermath period was over and the war was finally in the history books (so to speak). The forum was deleted sometime in 2009. Footnote - anything that has happened since October 2008 is nothing to me. It's over. Finished. Kaput. It's not important and all attempts by Joeker to try and restart matters will not be responded to and in the case of the Best, Mitchell and Lurker blogs deleted without reply. This also includes baiting attempts by allies like The Informer. THE WAR IS OVER! |
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